okay heres homework for ya  ,,,proof beyound all doubt  the last statement that you made above  is true in every case . 
let me give ya some cliff notes  here ,  th judge in most case's in the  3 county  area that they represent around here graduated  2 yrs behind  me in school ,  he made   it clear in the hearing part of this trial that the  defendent was guilty  , were do you think that was decided  at the  coffee shop were he and  the sherriff and the Da ate breakfast  2 days after the arrest  .. it happens allot , sorry to burst your bubble that our legal system is  close to perfect   but  its not , and in the bigger cities like Chicago its  even worse cause the court cases are  backedup and  there isnt the time to prepare  , its just easier  to find them guilty  and move on  .. yes they get a trial , but its easier to just plea bargin it down   some take the deal just cause there told  there gonna lose  ..it sucks  for those that dont have the funds  to  hire  there own attorneys , to me the biggest joke of all  is the court appointed attorneys , if they want to climb the ladder   they have to work with the DA  in anyway he wishes them to do  ..   have  a great day mate  . 

Two things:

first of all, my comment doesn't apply to traffic court, because I think that is the biggest exploitation of the court system as we know it and totally believe that money, politics, and time play a big role in the bullshit that happens there.

Secondly, you said your nephew pled to a lesser charge, but then also that he was acquited.  Did they decide to go to trial after all?  usually when you plea bargain, you have to plead guilty.  Also, involuntary manslaughter is usually associated with killing someone by accident when you may or may not have been doing something you shouldn't have been... oftentimes it is related to a driving infraction.  Was that the case with your nephew?  Just curious.

I see your point about the American way being to think a person is guilty before proven innocent as you say in your last comment... but I still don't think that's the case.  it think the American PEOPLE are manipulated by the media into believing what they want you to believe... in all things, not just trials.  Look at the OJ trial.  that was a media frenzy.  the whole world believed he was guilty before the trial even began.  there were tons of things "leaked" by the press that wasn't even real evidence. When in fact, there was not sufficient evidence to prove a man guilty that most of the world was convinced had committed the crimes.  That situation alone perhaps supports both our opinions.  I believe the media influences the American public and rely on my faith in our judical system, and you say that the American way is guilty till proven innocent.  I think I'm looking at the American way as the judicial system and you are looking at the American way from the pulic's point of view.

I guess I never thought about how it would work in a small town.  A lot of small-town judges don't necessarily have the legal background to instill the importance of the impartiality their job demands.  and I'm sure it happens in big cities too, but I would say much less often as the judgeship competition is much stronger. 

I used to work in the Chicago court system. I was an impartial party present for many, many depostions, hearings, arbitrations, and trials... both civil and criminal.  and I can tell you that of the countless judges, ADAs, and defense attorneys i've worked with, each and every one of them has their own way of doing things... but I can tell you without a doubt that when any one of them applied the facts to the law, it all worked out the way it should have.  I can also guarantee you that many of the judges has opinions of the defendants' guilt/innocence.  But when it came to making rules of law (ie, ruling on objections, motions, etc.) that those decisions were made according to the law and not their opinions. 

Anyway.  I've likely rambled on to the point where I've forgotten my point.  So i should probably shut up now and stare at boobs.

cheers 

Is that the kind of stuff getting sent in pm's now? No wonder all the girls don't want to get pm'd.

Ay Curumba!

yeah, it's been a while since I've posted a bobaloo-length post.  I figured I'd just go for it.

Oh yeah you did... and some!

yeah, it's been a while since I've posted a bobaloo-length post.  I figured I'd just go for it.

I really don,t think I,d like to live in the USA, If thats a fair representation of your legal system. You should be innocent until proven guilty, rather like me, innocent as a new born lamb, and pure, as the driven snow.      

I really don,t think I,d like to live in the USA, If thats a fair representation of your legal system. You should be innocent until proven guilty, rather like me, innocent as a new born lamb, and pure, as the driven snow.      

I don't know what got in to me.  It must have been the one 15-minute period a year I was sober.

I just wrote paragraph-lentgh posts explaining that in the US you ARE innocent until proven guilty.   At least as far as the law is concerned.

Not according to the Prat 3d.

Damn that's rough... how was it?

Longest 15 minutes of my life.

and here we thought it was the 2 minutes  with Jrock . 

Longest 15 minutes of my life.

and here we thought it was the 2 minutes  with Jrock . 

No.  that was the longest two minutes of YOUR life.

Poor bastard... have a beer

Way ahead of ya. It is Friday evening for me and I've got about 5 minutes till I'm out of work. (which means I'm on beer No. 6 already... this hour)