The same planet but a different world

Where did you get these stats and the other one about then gaving a higher violent crime rate than the US??

The same place faeces exit his body!

Must be

the students were asking the news media to leave today so they begin the task to get back to normal , it should be our hope that they would indeed heed that and move out ...

Yeah, gun laws in the USA are just fine...

Child gets gun license

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Well maybe one day you will get shot

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http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallacies.html#Introduction

Do you think alcohol should be banned in Australia if a minor is involved in a fatal accident? Or do you think that responsible adults should be allowed to own and consume alcohol even thou thousands die each year from cirrhosis of the liver, domestic violence due to alcohol abuse and fatal auto accidents due to driving under the influence.

Web Results 1 - 10 of about 1,010,000 for "alcohol related accidents australia"
There's over a million hits on Google using those words. Ban it, or accept it?

maybe most of those hits are "alcohol related accidents" rarely occur in "austrialia.

but I think the point of the story is how the governing body who issues these things doesn't look closely enough at these things to think, "hey, should a 10 month old have a gun license?" regardless of what the law says.
accidents, shootings aside, if a 5 year old goes and buys a bottle of whiskey, there is a problem there, regardless if they were only buying it for their dad and not consuming it themselves.

but your points are taken too, unlike Skull's.

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"you're fuckin retarded"
-quote by gnappster

that one will go down in history

I can agree, but only so far. Where I have a problem is the phrase "regardless of what the law says". Say you just bought a new house, in a residential neighborhood. Two weeks after your closing, you get a new neighbor. He's just paid top dollar for his new home. But what he wants to do is raise pigs, 30 or 40 of them. Right next door. Naturally, you're not going to be too pleased with this new development. You think, "There's gotta be a law against this." Your neighbor's defense consists mostly of the refrain, "Regardless of the law." People want bacon, people want ham and pork chops. So, fuck it, I'm raising pigs. '" Your property value drops in half. But you have no defense because, "People love bacon, pigs have to live somewhere" Obviously, had you known of this was going to happen, you'd have never bought the property. My point being, one guys, "Regardless of the law", is another guys kick in the nut sack. The law is the only thing that let's you have ANY control of the future. And, as slight as that may be, it's really the only assurance a person can have that things are going to be dealt with in a fair manner. Maybe this should have gone in the rant thread but here it is anyway. I guess you could call me a "Libertarian" and for those of you who don't know what that entails, Google it.

That would be helpful if he could read.



Closeup I take your point. My point relates to the gun culture that has been bred over 100's of years in the states which leads to the acceptance of a 10 month old obtaining a gun license. It also helps to point out the lax, apathetic attitude the USA has toward gun control. If it is easy for this kid to obtain a license, basically anyone can slip through the cracks. What about a former mental patient obtaining a license and a legally obtained firearm?

I do think you are drawing a long bow between alcohol related fatalities and gun control. The fact is that drink driving is illegal. You get caught here in Australia, you get to visit the local jail, you lose your license, simple. Ban it? Well whilst underage drinking does occur there would be less than 1% of licensed outlets that would sell alcohol to minors because the fines they face are heavy!

I will say this though, at the very least I appreciate you understand the meaning of debate



bwahahaha

I wont debate , here the pig aurgument is valid I live in the rural midwest , farming community , the law says my neighbers can raise hogs as long as they stay 1/4 from my house , wel I now have 7500 hogs within a 1/4 mile of my house and hes getting ready to build and house 7000 more and theres nothing I can do , my 250,000 home is going to depreciate ,, and on days that the wind is from the east or the humidity is high we dont use our pool or hot tub cause it smells like shit outside and sure as hell dont leave during the day with your windows open on a warm day .. the point is they are protected by law , Im a farmer but I dont believe that I should be able to inflict undo stress on my neighbers as they do me ..

Do any of you know how many gun deaths there are in the US on any given yr ?

for comparison here there are on average 16000 . gun related deaths

a real point is In Illinois alone there are 115,000 deer killed by guns .. thats just in Illinois .. in comparison the gun deaths are pretty small .. that makes it no less critical I know but there are worse things that effect lives everyday ... Like these fucking fuel companys that are fucking us evryday we burn gas ..