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post Apr 15 2006, 06:45 PM
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QUOTE(natalie @ Apr 15 2006, 03:15 PM)
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post Apr 17 2006, 09:31 PM
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At the risk of venturing into dangerous waters, my opinion is that our law makers try to cover too many aspects of our lives.

In the UK there are ever increasing realms of legislation covering things such as health and safety, but to an extent which is way beyond the application of common sense. I have no problem with rules which were intended to make safe industrial workplaces, but the trend is spreading into virtually every aspect of life, as our legislators try to take every concievable risk out of life. Partly this is due to the litigous trend which started in the US, where every lawyer is now looking for an opportunity to sue someone, and partly because the rulemakers have found something which allows them endless scope to expand their empires.

At the same time, burgulars are being let off with cautions to save space in prisons, crimes are not being investigated if there is not a 'reasonable' chance of arrest and sentences are too readily reduced for 'good' behaviour.

If you are a motorist, you can get snapped by a speed camera for exceeding the limit by a few mph, get fined and 3 points on your licence - 12 points and you get banned. But if you are an illegal immigrant or living on benefits, you can drive without a licence, insurance, tax, and in the unlikely event you get caught, you will get fined a fraction of the cost of being legal, and most probably given a few hours commnity service.

Our Government is constantly telling us what we can't do, and increasing the list of what that includes, is very efficient at catching, and especially fining, the mainly law-abiding, tax paying, classes, but does damn all about catching the people who destabilise the security that society wants.

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post Apr 17 2006, 09:46 PM
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QUOTE(sweetnsexy @ Apr 17 2006, 09:31 PM)
At the risk of venturing into dangerous waters, my opinion is that our law makers try to cover too many aspects of our lives.

In the UK there are ever increasing realms of legislation covering things such as health and safety, but to an extent which is way beyond the application of common sense.  I have no problem with rules which were intended to make safe industrial workplaces, but the trend is spreading into virtually every aspect of life, as our legislators try to take every concievable risk out of life.  Partly this is due to the litigous trend which started in the US, where every lawyer is now looking for an opportunity to sue someone, and partly because the rulemakers have found something which allows them endless scope to expand their empires.

At the same time, burgulars are being let off with cautions to save space in prisons, crimes are not being investigated if there is not a 'reasonable' chance of arrest and sentences are too readily reduced for 'good' behaviour.

If you are a motorist, you can get snapped by a speed camera for exceeding the limit by a few mph, get fined and 3 points on your licence - 12 points and you get banned.  But if you are an illegal immigrant or living on benefits, you can drive without a licence, insurance, tax, and in the unlikely event you get caught, you will get fined a fraction of the cost of being legal, and most probably given a few hours commnity service.

Our Government is constantly telling us what we can't do, and increasing the list of what that includes, is very efficient at catching, and especially fining, the mainly law-abiding, tax paying, classes, but does damn all about catching the people who destabilise the security that society wants.

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I totally agree with just about everything you just wrote. I think the reason for all that is that there is no money in targeting only bad guys. They hvae to target the good guys who actually will pay the fines. People also have to justify their jobs, especially in the political field. So if you catch 20,000 speeders in a year, you're doing what you can to keep the roads safe. It's actual work to catch real criminals. I know a few people who are police officers in a few different towns. All they talk about is traffic violations. Traffic enforcement is about 80 percent of what all the police departments do. I give police officers a lot of credit... I sure as heck wouldn't want to put myself in that much risk. I just think the government, community, and political efforts are sadly misplaced. What a waste of resources.


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post Apr 17 2006, 09:47 PM
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QUOTE(sweetnsexy @ Apr 17 2006, 06:31 PM)
At the risk of venturing into dangerous waters, my opinion is that our law makers try to cover too many aspects of our lives.

In the UK there are ever increasing realms of legislation covering things such as health and safety, but to an extent which is way beyond the application of common sense.  I have no problem with rules which were intended to make safe industrial workplaces, but the trend is spreading into virtually every aspect of life, as our legislators try to take every concievable risk out of life.  Partly this is due to the litigous trend which started in the US, where every lawyer is now looking for an opportunity to sue someone, and partly because the rulemakers have found something which allows them endless scope to expand their empires.

At the same time, burgulars are being let off with cautions to save space in prisons, crimes are not being investigated if there is not a 'reasonable' chance of arrest and sentences are too readily reduced for 'good' behaviour.

If you are a motorist, you can get snapped by a speed camera for exceeding the limit by a few mph, get fined and 3 points on your licence - 12 points and you get banned.  But if you are an illegal immigrant or living on benefits, you can drive without a licence, insurance, tax, and in the unlikely event you get caught, you will get fined a fraction of the cost of being legal, and most probably given a few hours commnity service.

Our Government is constantly telling us what we can't do, and increasing the list of what that includes, is very efficient at catching, and especially fining, the mainly law-abiding, tax paying, classes, but does damn all about catching the people who destabilise the security that society wants.

So there!  gabba.gif
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I agree about the system the way the laws work and stuff here we have mandatory sentancing on drug offenses ones that are non violent crimes. So you can get busted selling pot a few times and spend many mnay years in prison or caught smoking it yourself growing your own stash and spend many years in prison,

But you can go out get drunk drive and kill a family by driving drunk and get 3-4 years.

You can molest a child and get a few years get out and molest again.

BUT god forbid you smoke a little pot to mellow the fuck out.

Ok so not going to debate why pot should be legal but point is non violent crimes are taking up more room in prisons why violent life altering crimes are getting more chances.

It all seems wacky to me. I say bring back public hanging.

Ever sunday lets meet in town square and watch "dick" get hung for rapping a child. Bet it makes a few in the audieance think twice about raping someone.
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post Apr 17 2006, 09:56 PM
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The headlines in Maine's largest newspaper were interesting this morning. A twenty year old guy took his fathers' gun, drove to a registered sex offenders house and shot him in the head. Then he drove twenty miles to a guy who had just gotten out of prison for raping a 14 year old girl. Shot him in the head. Got on the bus and headed to Boston. When the cops boarded the bus to arrest him in Boston, he pulled out a .45 and shot himself in the head. I guess if you're intent on killing yourself, might as well take out two dirtbags beforehand.
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QUOTE(closeup @ Apr 17 2006, 09:56 PM)
The headlines in Maine's largest newspaper were interesting this morning. A twenty year old guy took his fathers' gun, drove to a registered sex offenders house and shot him in the head. Then he drove twenty miles to a guy who had just gotten out of prison for raping a 14 year old girl. Shot him in the head. Got on the bus and headed to Boston. When the cops boarded the bus to arrest him in Boston, he pulled out a .45 and shot himself in the head. I guess if you're intent on killing yourself, might as well take out two dirtbags beforehand.
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I don't know why he was so quick to kill himself. Maybe the cops just wanted to give him a couple more addresses confused-smiley-013.gif


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QUOTE(diane26 @ Apr 17 2006, 09:47 PM)
It all seems wacky to me. I say bring back public hanging.

Ever sunday lets meet in town square and watch "dick" get hung for raping a child. Bet it makes a few in the audience think twice about raping someone.
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I'll be there with my knitting!! But even if capital punishment is not an option, at least keep the bastards in for their full sentence.


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post Apr 17 2006, 10:06 PM
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QUOTE(sweetnsexy @ Apr 17 2006, 07:00 PM)
I'll be there with my knitting!!  But even if capital punishment is not an option, at least keep the bastards in for their full sentence.
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And beat them weekly so they don't get to comfortable. Let the family members cane them.

To bad the one guy couldn't get a medal of honor before hand.

And yes I realize this makes me a hypocrit and it is a hyprocacy I can live with.
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post Apr 18 2006, 10:02 AM
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post Apr 18 2006, 02:56 PM
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interesting thread turn...gotta agree with a lot of laws being redundant and overbearing but some of the basic ones do deter would be criminals. I would for sure rob banks if there weren't any laws preventing me from doing so. I figure, they've financially molested me for years, time to stick it to da man!

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post Apr 18 2006, 03:43 PM
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QUOTE(Gnappster @ Apr 18 2006, 12:35 PM)
interesting thread turn...gotta agree with a lot of laws being redundant and overbearing but some of the basic ones do deter would be criminals. I would for sure rob banks if there weren't any laws preventing me from doing so. I figure, they've financially molested me for years, time to stick it to da man!

And that is all.
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HAHAHAha I would Rob banks, and I would would go around knocking of the sickos which in turn would make me a sicko Im sure but I could handle it.
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