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[allmebaby]

Man this is a fucked up tragedy. 32 people dead and more injured.
What is wrong with people today?

[bondiguy]

Yeah, gun laws in the USA are just fine...

Child gets gun license

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Yeah, gun laws in the USA are just fine...

Child gets gun license

Do you think alcohol should be banned in Australia if a minor is involved in a fatal accident? Or do you think that responsible adults should be allowed to own and consume alcohol even thou thousands die each year from cirrhosis of the liver, domestic violence due to alcohol abuse and fatal auto accidents due to driving under the influence.

Web Results 1 - 10 of about 1,010,000 for "alcohol related accidents australia"
There's over a million hits on Google using those words. Ban it, or accept it?

[Gnappster]

Do you think alcohol should be banned in Australia if a minor is involved in a fatal accident? Or do you think that responsible adults should be allowed to own and consume alcohol even thou thousands die each year from cirrhosis of the liver, domestic violence due to alcohol abuse and fatal auto accidents due to driving under the influence.

Web  Results 1 - 10 of about 1,010,000 for "alcohol related accidents australia"
There's over a million hits on Google using those words.  Ban it, or accept it?

maybe most of those hits are "alcohol related accidents" rarely occur in "austrialia.

but I think the point of the story is how the governing body who issues these things doesn't look closely enough at these things to think, "hey, should a 10 month old have a gun license?" regardless of what the law says.
accidents, shootings aside, if a 5 year old goes and buys a bottle of whiskey, there is a problem there, regardless if they were only buying it for their dad and not consuming it themselves.

but your points are taken too, unlike Skull's.

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maybe most of those hits are "alcohol related accidents" rarely occur in "austrialia.

but I think the point of the story is how the governing body who issues these things doesn't look closely enough at these things to think, "hey, should a 10 month old have a gun license?" regardless of what the law says.
accidents, shootings aside, if a 5 year old goes and buys a bottle of whiskey, there is a problem there, regardless if they were only buying it for their dad and not consuming it themselves.

but your points are taken too, unlike Skull's. 

I can agree, but only so far. Where I have a problem is the phrase "regardless of what the law says". Say you just bought a new house, in a residential neighborhood. Two weeks after your closing, you get a new neighbor. He's just paid top dollar for his new home. But what he wants to do is raise pigs, 30 or 40 of them. Right next door. Naturally, you're not going to be too pleased with this new development. You think, "There's gotta be a law against this." Your neighbor's defense consists mostly of the refrain, "Regardless of the law." People want bacon, people want ham and pork chops. So, fuck it, I'm raising pigs. '" Your property value drops in half. But you have no defense because, "People love bacon, pigs have to live somewhere" Obviously, had you known of this was going to happen, you'd have never bought the property. My point being, one guys, "Regardless of the law", is another guys kick in the nut sack. The law is the only thing that let's you have ANY control of the future. And, as slight as that may be, it's really the only assurance a person can have that things are going to be dealt with in a fair manner. Maybe this should have gone in the rant thread but here it is anyway. I guess you could call me a "Libertarian" and for those of you who don't know what that entails, Google it.

[Gnappster]

I can agree, but only so far. Where I have a problem is the phrase "regardless of what the law says".  Say you just bought a new house, in a residential neighborhood. Two weeks after your closing, you get a new neighbor. He's just paid top dollar for his new home. But what he wants to do is raise pigs, 30 or 40 of them. Right next door. Naturally, you're not going to be too pleased with this new development. You think, "There's gotta be a law against this." Your neighbor's defense consists mostly of the refrain, "Regardless of the law."  People want bacon, people want ham and pork chops. So, fuck it, I'm raising pigs. '" Your property value drops in half. But you have no defense because, "People love bacon, pigs have to live somewhere" Obviously, had you known of this was going to happen, you'd have never bought the property. My point being, one guys, "Regardless of the law", is another guys kick in the nut sack. The law is the only thing that let's you have ANY control of the future. And, as slight as that may be, it's really the only assurance a person can have that things are going to be dealt with in a fair manner. Maybe this should have gone in the rant thread but here it is anyway. I guess you could call me a "Libertarian" and for those of you who don't know what that entails, Google it.

Good point, can't just make up laws to suit one's needs(unless you're a politician).
But it just seems like a passive attitude to take in such a case. Yes there was no law barring it, but maybe the people issuing them should have contacted the parent and asked if they really wanted a gun license for a baby. Maybe go to a superior and see if there is some loophole for them not to issue it etc. It just seems like an apathetic attitude to hand out a gun license to a one year old becasue there is no law against it. And that raises the questions, why the hell ISN'T there an age requirement. But that's another debate I suppose.
btw, I'm not familiar with US gun laws, but don't you need to take some type of safety course before you can buy a gun or have a gun license?